CyberPT Physical Therapy Forum : Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Mon, 27 Apr 2026 15:17:06 +0000 Thu, 13 Jan 2022 00:16:30 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 11.03 30 www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/RSS_topic_feed.asp?FID=23 <![CDATA[CyberPT Physical Therapy Forum]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_images/pt_logo.gif http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/ <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Looking for Learning Resources Related to Chronic]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1938&PID=2654&title=looking-for-learning-resources-related-to-chronic#2654 Author: mattpobrien4
Subject: Looking for Learning Resources Related to Chronic
Posted: Jan 13 2022 at 12:16am

Thanks for reaching out. It's great to hear that you are getting the treatment you need, and I wish you all the best with your recovery. It sounds like a lot of effort and research has gone into your treatment. I would love to know more about what treatments have worked for you in the past. I also want to share some studies on the McKenzie Method and how their techniques can be beneficial to patients who suffer from chronic pain.]]> Thu, 13 Jan 2022 00:16:30 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1938&PID=2654&title=looking-for-learning-resources-related-to-chronic#2654 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Looking for Learning Resources Related to Chronic]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1938&PID=2644&title=looking-for-learning-resources-related-to-chronic#2644 Author: gglang
Subject: Looking for Learning Resources Related to Chronic
Posted: Jan 08 2021 at 3:06pm

I have been having chronic pain with my neck and lower back for about 1.5 years now. I am seeing a physiotherapist, and have tried chiropractic, massage, and occupational therapy. The core of my treatment currently is the McKenzie Method, coupled with some strength exercises for the core, neck and back. My condition is slowly improving, but getting a complete (or near complete) recovery is proving very challenging.

I want to educate myself on my neck and lower back issues. In particular, I am looking to learn more about different treatment methods and the theories behind them. Some of the topics of interest are: exercise and treatment methods, postural correction, and general spine knowledge as it pertains to chronic pain and therapy.

Does anyone have any recommendations for books (maybe textbooks), websites, forums, and/or youtube channels to learn more about these things? Or perhaps just keywords that I could use to find such resources? I have already read several of McKenzie's books.

Thanks all!
]]> Fri, 08 Jan 2021 15:06:14 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1938&PID=2644&title=looking-for-learning-resources-related-to-chronic#2644 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2276&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2276 Author: KDaniel
Subject: Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk
Posted: Jun 01 2019 at 12:03am

Look what I found! This is what I have!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=KnK433gXetQ

Is there a fix? Anything to reduce the involuntary movements?



Edited by KDaniel - Jun 01 2019 at 12:10am]]> Sat, 01 Jun 2019 00:03:26 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2276&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2276 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2275&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2275 Author: KDaniel
Subject: Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk
Posted: May 23 2019 at 4:04pm

Thanks for the reply, I did that exact thing. I saw dystonia specialists at the University of Minnesota. They put an EMG in different areas around the Suprahyoid region. They said the muscles were loud. I got a Xeomin (Botox) injection. I did not experience any relief but they did say it was a fairly small amount since it was my first time. The bill...$2,400! No way am I "trying" it again! My insurance doesn't pay until I reach my deductible and it is a high deductible plan.

I did hours of reading this past weekend and think it sounds like Myoclonus, I know that just means an involuntary quick muscle jerk but it fits my description. Also, a common medication prescribed for that is Clonazepam which I received and does help. I'm just really worried about the long term effects of benzos. I've read they can make you foggy and have memory problems. I need to be on the spot at my job and remember project particulars from dozens of manufacturers and different jobs. I usually take one .5mg pill per week.]]> Thu, 23 May 2019 16:04:18 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2275&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2275 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2274&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2274 Author: fishlog
Subject: Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk
Posted: May 22 2019 at 8:35am

Created an account just to answer your desperate call. IMO there are few alternatives to botox. I myself has dystonia affecting the digastricus. There is no other help than botox. If you are not insured the price tag is hefty but Worth it. Spasm in digastricus affect the upper spine via the Mylohoid bone and the effect could be disastrous. Go and get a fair amount of botox but not to much though since it will impair swallowing. One more thing also: Check your Pterygoids in the cheek. They might also need a shot. But forst, see a doctor specialised in dystonia for measuring your muscle tonus with EMG, and go now!]]> Wed, 22 May 2019 08:35:33 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2274&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2274 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2272&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2272 Author: KDaniel
Subject: Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk
Posted: May 17 2019 at 7:38pm

Thank you so much for the reply. No, it didn't include dry needling. Is that similar to acupuncture? I thought about trying acupuncture but have spent so much money I am reluctant unless I know it will help.

Another update, I saw a chiropractor and he took an x-ray. He said things were slightly out of alignment. I signed up for 12 adjustments over the span of about a month and a half. I just finished the last session and did not notice any improvement...another $500 gone with no results.]]> Fri, 17 May 2019 19:38:20 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2272&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2272 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2260&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2260 Author: Ask a PT
Subject: Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk
Posted: Mar 20 2019 at 5:32am

When you saw a PT, did your treatment include dry needling? DN can help with releasing trigger points and loosening the muscles that are involved at the TMJ. IF not, it may be worth a try to see a PT that performs DN since you have tried everything else.
]]> Wed, 20 Mar 2019 05:32:26 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2260&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2260 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2255&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2255 Author: KDaniel
Subject: Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk
Posted: Mar 01 2019 at 1:35pm

Hi, just an update, I saw a speech therapist. He basically gave me exercises to do such as deep breathing, tongue posture, etc. It has been about a month since I saw him and have not noticed any effect on the lower jaw muscle contractions.]]> Fri, 01 Mar 2019 13:35:07 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2255&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2255 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2240&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2240 Author: KDaniel
Subject: Speaking Jerks/Spasm Mylohyoid Digastric jerk
Posted: Nov 21 2018 at 9:30am

Hi everyone, first post, trying to figure out something that has been plaguing me for 10+ years. When speaking/deeply thinking/sometimes reading, my jaw jerks involuntarily. It is much worse if I drank alcohol the day before. I have no trouble eating or making voluntary movements. There is no click or popping of my jaw. The lower jaw jerks in a slightly open and pulled back position, tongue also moves I believe. When speaking it sounds like I am loudly stuttering or quickly yelling because of this quick jerky movement. I have felt around my face when this occurs and I do feel the Mylohyoid and Digastric muscle areas is firing. 

Nothing I have tried has made much difference. I have spent years researching and thousands of dollars with no results. I don't know what to do anymore, it is so incredibly embarrassing and infuriating when I am speaking at work and it keeps jerking, people look at you like you’re crazy. I feel drained both financially and emotionally. Any ideas on other things I can try? 

Below is a list of things I have tried so far:

Saw a TMJ specialist (took x-rays and exam, nothing wrong found with the joint)

Saw a physical therapist that the TMJ specialist recommended (gave me exercises to do)

Had a $175 NTI appliance made to use at night. Heard these are temporary so went to the more permanent one.

Went to a dental specialist and bought a custom anterior deprogrammer that was $600, no noticeable difference.

Took sleep apnea test, oxygen levels were ok

Tried essential oils directly on muscles, all different blends

Tried messages

Tried Magnesium supplements

Tried a microwavable warm compress

Bought a TENS unit, researched and found 220us at 10hz was best for head/neck muscles, no noticeable difference.

Tried sleeping with no pillow, a rolled-up towel under my neck, tried multiple different pillows

Saw a Craniosacral Therapy specialist. I did 3 sessions with no results. 

Saw a renowned UofM professor, he does not think anything is wrong with my jaw and thinks it may be oromandibular dystonia.

Saw a neurologist – took a heavy metals blood draw test. No metals besides a slight level of arsenic, nothing to be concerned with the Dr. said. Also took a nutritional deficiency test using blood, urine and saliva. I started supplements on B6, B12, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3, Magnesium, and Calcium. None of my deficiencies were in a high need column. Since starting the supplementation, noticed no difference.

Received Xeomin (Botox) injections in Mylohyoid and Digastric area. It was a very small injection to see if I had any results. I did not see any benefit and am reluctant to try again due to the large cost that was not covered. The Dr. did also prescribe Clonazepam (Benzo) which actually does help. However, I am worried taking them since Benzo's are not meant for long term use and can change things cognitively, it really concerns me taking these. Right now I am taking two .5mg tabs per week.

Thank you for any help! I am desperate!

]]> Wed, 21 Nov 2018 09:30:30 +0000 http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1579&PID=2240&title=speaking-jerks-spasm-mylohyoid-digastric-jerk#2240 <![CDATA[Head & Neck Injuries/Conditions : upper trapezius strain - body building]]> http://www.cyberpt.com/ptforum/forum_posts.asp?TID=583&PID=2133&title=upper-trapezius-strain-body-building#2133 Author: P90xreview
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